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So I’ve generally been steering clear of the various LiveJournal-related controversies, but I’ve been chewing over a few things the last day.

Where we are

With a hosted blogging service that has 1.7 million active users, it’s mind-boggling that there wasn’t some kind of “adult content” filtering in place before last year’s fiasco. The Guardians of Virtue or whoever the hell they were may have prompted Six Apart’s headless chicken dance, but the reason to tie SafeSearch-style viewing preferences to user accounts and to provide mechanisms for labelling content is to protect the service from these kinds of attacks in the first place.

A more recent flap has been about them no longer offering the no-cost and ad-free “basic” accounts. The “content strike” proposed for March 21st, 2008 (tomorrow, as I write this) is built on the premise that all accounts generate content and that’s what brings people to LiveJournal in the first place. Okay, but while all accounts generate content, companies run on revenue; as important as content may be, the bottom line is that the basic accounts are subsidized by the rest of the accounts. Do the other account levels generate enough income to do that? Maybe, but unless someone who actually saw the books can confirm the answer is “yes,” I’m dubious.

Why? Well, Vanna, let’s bring out the chart. Only one, I promise.

LJ User Growth

This data is taken from the stats page of LJ and the web archive of that page, checking each year in March (or as close to March as I could get). The definition of “active user” is, uh, whatever that stats page uses. Note that there’s no breakdown for paid users, so this is not “all users” versus “paid users”; it’s “people who have LiveJournals” versus “people actually doing something with them.”

Notice two things here. One, the fastest rate of growth in LJ’s history was the year before the sale to 6A. I know Brad Fitzpatrick tells us the sale was basically because the Six Apart guys were just swell, but operating costs had to have been skyrocketing during 2004.

Since then the total userbase has been growing at a fairly steady rate, but the number of active users has been in a gradual decline. There are a few possible explanations for this. Old users may be leaving LiveJournal faster than new users are coming in to replace them. New users may not be finding LiveJournal “sticky” and so their journals quickly go inactive. In any case, we can assume the sizable majority of paid users are in that active group, since most won’t keep paying for a journal they’re not using.

Ah-ha! Six Apart killed LiveJournal’s growth! Well… no, probably not. LJ’s userbase is primarily in the high school and college age range, and there are a couple other sites you might have heard of that came into prominence around that time. The new prospective users entering LJ’s prime demographic were starting to collect around MySpace and Facebook. LiveJournal was already, like, four years old. You have a LiveJournal? Oh, that’s so 2002.

6A wanted some of that action, but they didn’t want to revitalize LJ—they wanted inspiration, if not actual code, for Vox, which we can colloquially dub “LiveJournal 2.0.” That was their big community blogging gamble, the next generation platform, where all of their attention was going to. If we assume that most of the code improvements came primarily from Danga’s old team still working under the 6A aegis, then most of what Six Apart gave LiveJournal’s userbase, apart from the occasional fit, was: style sheets imported from Vox.

And enough money to keep going until the sale to SUP for $30M.

Basically, my suspicion is that SUP paid a lot of money for a blogging platform that’s been stagnant for three years. What a deal, right? Well, it’s been mentioned before how important LiveJournal is in Russia, but most of us Westerners don’t understand how important LiveJournal is in Russia. In SUP’s words, “LiveJournal in Russia is effectively the Russian blogosphere.” LJ is the eighth most-visited site on the internet in Russia. Apparently, the common word for “blogging” in Russian translates to “LiveJournal.” SUP also breaks down a statistic for us: of LiveJournal’s accounts, 5.2 million are in Russia, and 523,000 of those are active. That means 30% of the active LJs are Russian. Getting the picture?

Given what we saw above about the active userbase gradually declining, from a business standpoint, all of the growth opportunity is in Russia. Not to put too fine a point on it: for SUP LiveJournal is friggin’ MySpace and Facebook combined.

If you look at the Russian LiveJournal landing page, if you’re like me your first thought will be: I can’t read any of this. But your second thought will be: this looks like a completely different site. It looks a lot more professional, for one thing. It has (somewhat) different content. And it has an ad for Renault, in the place where the “original” LJ.com has an ad for “Free* IQ Test!” (I presume the asterisk goes to a footnote on their web site reading “*not really.”)

Pop quiz: which one of those ads do you think LiveJournal charges more for?

So now we can see why basic accounts had to go. SUP is, bluntly, the first owner for LiveJournal that’s really serious about making money from it. They want to make a lot of money from it. And if you are not a Russian user, you are not who they expect to make that money from.

Where to go

So is LiveJournal doomed, at least for non-Russian users? I’ve asked the Magic 8-Ball™ three times and keep getting replies like “Better not tell you now” and “Ask again later.”

The outrage of the moment (well, I haven’t checked in eight hours, so it may have passed now) is an interview at Izbrannoe with Anton Nossik, who Google Translations informs us is “director of blogs company Soup.” You can find several better translations of this going about now; see darkrosetiger’s and furiosity’s. ([livejournal.com profile] darkrosetiger’s is commentary that includes a translation by [livejournal.com profile] russianswinga.)

However. The guy who wrote this actually (a) writes English himself and (b) is on LiveJournal. [livejournal.com profile] anton_nossik wrote his own response. He clarifies that his title is not director of anything, but rather “Social Media Evangelist,” and that he makes no decisions at SUP. Nossik does a fairly good job of convincing me that [livejournal.com profile] furiosity is mostly correct when he writes,

Translating a Russian interview into English directly will make pretty much any Russian sound like a complete dickwad, because cultural expectations are completely different. It just really frustrates me that people are not taking into account that we’re dealing with a different culture here, not just a different company. Business and economics are built on pretty much the same principles the world over, but they are never divorced from culture.

Mostly correct, but not completely. Nossik’s attempted clarification shows why better than the interview does. He defends his assertion that paid accounts were only about “just asking money to avoid showing banners,” but the Wayback Machine page that he links as proof actually proves the opposite: it lists extra paid-only features like customization and text messaging—and the “fast servers” and the poll creator are added by September 2001. He continues to describe Danga as “donation-backed,” which is wrong; as Brad Fitzpatrick wrote when 6A bought Danga, “Everybody should understand that LiveJournal was never a non-profit volunteer organization. Danga has always been a for-profit company.” And, Nossik uses the word freeloader more than once when describing basic account holders.

To Nossik, pre-SUP LiveJournal’s business practices deserve no respect. While he asserts we shouldn’t construe his opinion as an official message of SUP or its management but merely as that of a “veteran Russian LJ blogger,” well, sorry, Anton. You work for the company that owns LiveJournal, your job description at LinkedIn is “development, promotion and cross-platform integration of social media such as LiveJournal,” and oh yes, you’re giving an interview to a journalist about LiveJournal. If you don’t understand what context that places your words in, perhaps corporate evangelism isn’t your true calling. (Given your attitude toward users, I suggest Unix system administration.) In fact, I suspect Nossik’s attitude does reflect SUP’s; they’re just not going to tell the 1.2 million non-Russian users that while their money is certainly welcome, they’re just not a big concern anymore, thanks.

So. How ’bout that content strike? I’m going to be blunt about this, folks: SUP doesn’t get paid for your posts, nor for your reads. They get paid either by you directly or by you responding to ads. In other words, if you’re a basic account holder or a paid/permanent account holder, your use of the system is completely orthogonal to SUP’s revenue. If you’re a basic account holder, they’d really you rather switch to a “Plus” account or drop into the sea. And if you’re a paid account holder, participating in the content strike is like boycotting your gym by continuing to pay for your membership but not using it. For one day. That’ll show ’em!

The only effective “boycott” is leaving LiveJournal. And that opens up a whole new can of worms, because those most likely to be annoyed with perceived changes in policy are those most likely to have been around a while, ones like me who are in the top quartile of connections. (A 2004 analysis estimated the median number of friends a LiveJournal user has at 30; a similar analysis I did this morning put it at 39.) In other words, the people most likely to be enjoying great benefits from the network effect—and thus, the people with the most to lose, socially, by leaving the site. It sounds great in theory to say, “Just move to (Greatest|Insane)Journal!” but in practice, GJ has 114,406 active users and IJ has 69,309, or just over 6% and under 4% of the userbase that LJ does, respectively. Your peeps just ain’t there, and no peeps, no point.

Look, it’s possible—okay, probable—okay, all but inevitable that something else will come along that displaces LiveJournal in a sufficient number of hearts to get us to move there. And I suspect SUP will, intentionally or not, be pushing us along. Maybe this is short-sighted of them, maybe it’s just pragmatic; their growth market is very clearly in Russia, and those of us who’ve been around long enough to remember invite codes are what’s euphemistically referred to as “legacy users.” There’s little value for LiveJournal to keep competing with MySpace and FaceBook for the 18-24 crowd in the West; that battle’s pretty much already over.

But I don’t think this “post-LJ service” is here yet. I don’t know what it’ll look like, but I don’t think it’ll use the LJ code base. (Please.) Instead of catering to the 18-24 crowd, it’s going to consciously skew older, because it won’t want to be in direct competition with Facebook and MySpace, either. What new features will appeal to older users? You tell me.

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Date: 2008-03-20 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuftears.livejournal.com
Very interesting, cogent analysis of what's going on with LJ.

Date: 2008-03-20 20:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revar.livejournal.com
I'm seeing a lot of duplicate text near the end, starting with the paragraph reading only 'The'.

Date: 2008-03-20 20:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
That was a revision and the pre-revision text stuck together accidentally. Oops! Fixed now. (Hopefully.)

O.o

Date: 2008-03-20 20:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silasmouse.livejournal.com
Wow, it's shocking to see the difference between livejournal.ru and livejournal.com. I've gradually grown dissatisfied with the "bloat" I see in LJ. It's not as bad as, say, MySpace, but I think I prefer WordPress and Blogger over the rest. The only feature of LJ that I really enjoy is the networking that lets me view all of my friends' recent blog entries on a single page. (It's possible that WP and Blogger can do this too, perhaps with RSS feeds, but I don't know how.)

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Date: 2008-03-20 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
Well, yes, but that's the key to Livejournal, yes? The networking.

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Date: 2008-03-20 20:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentrabbit.livejournal.com
A bit scrambled near the end, but I get the gist.. and yes, that has the ring of truth to it.

So we wind up sitting around waiting for the Next Best Thing. (Which will be here Real Soon Now, I'm sure..)

Date: 2008-03-20 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dulcinbradbury.livejournal.com
Indeed. That's part of what holds me back from jumping to LJ clones. They don't have the userbase, don't have the features, and, they're all *very* loaded in how they perceive the world. (AKA InsaneJournal, DeadJournal)

I'm unhappy with LJ, but, my hands feel tied. It is *not* as simple as "if you don't like it, just leave."

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Date: 2008-03-20 21:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
Very interesting read. And sad and slightly disheartening, in a way. Thanks for the analysis.

fascinating analysis

Date: 2008-03-20 22:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catdancerz.livejournal.com
i sort of hope you're not totally right about the irrelevance of non russian users to LJ's future fiscal gameplan but your arguement makes way too much sense to ignore...

Date: 2008-03-20 22:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] life-on-queen.livejournal.com
Interesting and thoughtful analysis.

"Thank you for explaining."

Date: 2008-03-20 22:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
An excellent and thoughtful post.

As I noted in the comment you commented to, I've been a permanent member since before the sale to 6A, so unfortunately I don't have the option of voting with my dollars. (I have told people that I no longer recommend paying for an LJ account.) And as you rightly noted here:

those most likely to be annoyed with perceived changes in policy are those most likely to have been around a while, ones like me who are in the top quartile of connections. (A 2004 analysis estimated the median number of friends a LiveJournal user has at 30; a similar analysis I did this morning put it at 39.) In other words, the people most likely to be enjoying great benefits from the network effect—and thus, the people with the most to lose, socially, by leaving the site.

Exactly. I'm pretty heavily networked here, and I absolutely do not think that I could replicate that on DJ or IJ. That's pretty much the only reason I've stayed. This is where my people are, my friends, my audience, my community.

I don’t think this “post-LJ service” is here yet. I don’t know what it’ll look like, but I don’t think it’ll use the LJ code base. (Please.) Instead of catering to the 18-24 crowd, it’s going to consciously skew older, because it won’t want to be in direct competition with Facebook and MySpace, either. What new features will appeal to older users? You tell me.

I've started a community called [livejournal.com profile] elsejournal that might interest you.

Date: 2008-03-20 23:42 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ratcreature
this looks like a completely different site.

The entry page is a different and the Russian site has a different default viewing scheme, that you can't yet click in the selection easily on the .com site, but if you like the somewhat cleaner style, you can see the .com site in that scheme as well if you want. Just use the "?usescheme=name" method, the one the Russian site uses is called "lanzelot" so if you do append "?usescheme=lanzelot" you'll see the site in that look instead if in Horizon, Vertigo, XColibur or Dystopia. I actually like the look and have been hoping for a while that they'll make it available more easily to non-Russian users. Right now if you use it on the main site some links still go to the Russian one, so it's apparently not quite ready for everyone, but I don't think the Russian version looks like a completely different site. Or maybe because I'm still sticking with XColibur myself and am thus startled by everything when I get logged out, I don't expect LJ to look the same all the time.

Date: 2008-03-21 00:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
I admit, I didn't realize that was largely a new style for the same display engine -- but I should have. Thank you for the tip.

The Russian front page still seems to have different content; last night as I suffered through a Google Translations version of it, it felt a little more like a portal/aggregator, with "news stories" driven by what LJ users were talking about (including an article surveying the content strike proposal). That added to my feeling that SUP was treating LiveJournal.ru as a more serious "destination site" than the American one.

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Date: 2008-03-20 23:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bwcoyoten.livejournal.com
As is to be expected from you, this is very cogent. You do your research, and you back up your claims.

I haven't had a paid account in a few years, and even then, that account was paid for as a gift by someone else (three guesses who). Now, as things stand, until they start taking away my ability to blog, I'm going to stick with LJ for now. If that doesn't work, I'll be implementing a blog on my own website - I have most of the code ready at the moment.

Date: 2008-03-20 23:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bwcoyoten.livejournal.com
Ooh, and I just thought of something that'll appeal to older users:

A distinction between professional and personal blog space, on the same account.

"Well, if you want to see what I've been working on, you can check out bob.problog.com/professional and I've got some good development notes there. Oh, and check out my /personal page, I've got a bunch of photos of the Grand Canyon there!"

Date: 2008-03-20 23:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pariahsdream.livejournal.com
Well that's basically the conclusion I was coming to, it's interesting to see it laid out like this though. I think you're right on the money. Just like I suspect that the big issue over the 'interests blocking' has more to do with proper ads than censorship, but I could be wrong.

Date: 2008-03-21 00:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
That's not impossible -- while it sounds very cynical, it would explain why words like "depression" would be filtered. (I did start a section about the whole popular interest filtering thing, but decided the post was getting too long as it was. Just say that I originally was giving LJ the benefit of the doubt for that as a programming screwup, but no, you can actually see the filter explicitly being added in the code (http://code.sixapart.com/trac/livejournal/changeset/13635).)

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Date: 2008-03-21 00:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] befers.livejournal.com
I found this post from [livejournal.com profile] haikujaguar's journal, and am glad she pointed it out. Very interesting and insightful thoughts. I hope you don't mind if I read you more.

Date: 2008-03-21 02:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
Not at all. And thank you.

Date: 2008-03-21 00:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mauser.livejournal.com
Seems to me that if one REALLY wants to protest SUP, going away is the opposite of what one should do.

Instead, the protest would be to abuse the hell out of your free, basic account. Post a LOT, Every day, comment everywhere. Take the entire contents of the "Need a penny?" bowl and buy a candy bar with it. Suck up all the bandwidth and storage you can.

Of course, the response by the Russians to that might not be pretty.

Makes me wonder, who actually STARTED this protest movement?

Date: 2008-03-22 16:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com
I said that on my LJ on Monday and from the response I got, you'd have thought I was the freaking baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells.

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Date: 2008-03-21 01:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmoses.livejournal.com
Most insightful post I read about that yet.

Date: 2008-03-21 02:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cargoweasel.livejournal.com
Excellent analysis. That definitely seems to be SUP's game plan. What a bunch of twentyish harry potter fanfic authors do with their LJ accounts is of little import.

Date: 2008-03-21 02:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingywoof.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting. It's disturbing how well you write and think.

Date: 2008-03-21 03:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dimruthien.livejournal.com
I was linked here by [livejournal.com profile] ailurophile and I must say, fantastic post. An excellent read :)

Date: 2008-03-21 04:08 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's amazing how much sense one can make when one is more interested in sharing one's own view than in insulting anyone who fails to agree.

Date: 2008-03-21 11:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syredronning.livejournal.com
Linked here by [livejournal.com profile] frogspace and have got to say - great analysis!

The newest changes actually bother me less than the 6A content discussions before. I don't see any alternative yet either, but I'm going to stay tuned :))

Date: 2008-03-21 12:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madelah.livejournal.com
Echoing the others, I sincerely appreciated your insights and evaluation of the situation. Thank you for writing this excellent analysis.

Date: 2008-03-21 16:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] normanrafferty.livejournal.com
All said in a reasonable voice!

Thank you for sharing this.

Personally, I thought we had already gotten over this end-of-freebie stuff years ago. And I'm not taking this latest round of anti-LJ sentiment seriously from anyone who has a gmail account.

Date: 2008-03-21 18:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
I'm not unsympathetic to some of the complaints; a lot of it really comes down to ham-handedness. A lot of the ill will they've generated seems to be caused by the perception that they don't trust their users enough to speak to them clearly, either couching things in handwavy PR speak or just sneaking changes out without telling anyone. (That employees like Mr. Nossik speak of users dismissively isn't going to exactly help matters.)

Having said that, there's been a bit of the "telephone game" going on among users which hasn't helped things. You can still get a new free LiveJournal account; you just can't get a free one with no ads. Either you pay for it by, well, paying for it, or you pay for it by having an ad show up occasionally.

Date: 2008-03-21 18:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
Followed a link here from [Unknown site tag], and I want to thank you for your analysis of the situation. Very insightful. I, too, wish there was something new geared for slightly older users, combining the social and journaling aspects. I have no problem with a company wanting to make money, but I don't like the way they're going about it. Will probably be reposting this link, if you don't mind.

Date: 2008-03-21 18:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipotle.livejournal.com
I don't mind at all.

Date: 2008-03-21 18:01 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
I think that the post-LJ service will be a decent standard for cross-site friends pages, easy cross-site security, and threaded comments.

OpenID is one piece of the puzzle, but there's a lot of other things that need to be solved before it's as seamless and invisible as LJ.

Date: 2008-03-21 18:05 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
Also, the thing that would really nail this theory down would be a chart of ad revenues from livejournal.ru versus ad revenues from livejournal.com, or barring that, a chart of Russian userbase versus the rest of the world. I'm sure LJ/SUP has this data at their fingertips, but getting it out of them, or by screen-scraping, is another matter.

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Date: 2008-03-21 19:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aintesduck.livejournal.com
Thanks for writing a very interesting, well thought out post.

Date: 2008-03-21 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cahwyguy.livejournal.com
Excellent analysis. I've added a link to it from my main post (http://cahwyguy.livejournal.com/702106.html) on the strike (which also links to a great analysis by [livejournal.com profile] theferrett). As for me, I still find the benefits of this service and the people here outweigh the current negatives. As long as that is the case, I'll use it.
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